Xfce News – From Then Till About Now
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Let’s pretend the last several months haven’t happened, and I’ll pretend that more than three of you read this. That said, it seems like the best thing to do is to lay out where we are going, where we are, and what’s happening to get us there. If you care what’s been going on in Xfce, but haven’t been following the various blogs and lists, this is your chance to get caught up.
The Road To Little Big Horn Every major release of the 4.x series of Xfce has been pretty major. 4.0 was the result of over a years work, a major rewrite of the entire desktop. 4.2 saw the introduction of major features and enhancements that were incomplete for 4.0, and the addition of developers as Xfce4 gained popularity. 4.4 is going to be a major upgrade to Xfce, with new components, major upgrades to old ones, and more tools for third party developers. So, without further ado, let’s take a look at what’s coming. File Mangement Lots is going on in the world of Xfce file management. Xfce 4.4 features two file managers. The first is a major upgrade and improvement of the classic Xffm. The second is Thunar, the newly written from scratch file manager designed to take a different tack from Xffm. Xffm Xffm (Xfce Fast File Manager) started like in Xfce 4.0 as the integration of several tools from the 3.x series. Several people (including the lead developer, Edscott) have pointed out that interface has been trying hard to accomodate everyone, and has suffered as a result. Xffm 4.4 is a major reworking of the code to address some of these issues, as well as several common user requests. Xffm 4.4 will provide icons on the desktop (something that Xfce, which is a spiritual decendent of CDE, has traditionally not provided), a new, ultra slim and simple icon view interface, a plugin system, and the ability to write new interfaces overtop of Xffm’s core. Where Xffm in the past has been relatively complex to use, Edscott has gone the other direction providing a very simplistic interface built over a core designed to support as many interfaces as the community needs. It is very possible that Xffm interfaces will become as common as panel plugins are now. Thunar Thunar is the new kid on the block for file management, and has even generated some interest from the Gnome and Ubuntu crowd. Thunar’s philosophy is to be simple and straightforward file management, built as much as possible on emerging desktop standards. Thunar is much like the rest of Xfce, in that it does very little revolutionary, but tries to be the best, well thought out implementation of well proven ideas out there. Thunar’s interface was heavily prototyped early in development. In this it took an interesting road, by building semi-functional prototypes in Python, and doing open interface critiques on the mailing list. Once the interface was settled, and a solid outline of the internals was written, the real work started, and Subversion has seen a lot of development work since. Current subversion can open files, execute applications, and perform basic file management tasks. Once completed, Thunar should provide all those things you expect from a modern file manager, including desktop icons, and not being a web browser. Triple Threat The Xfce “desktop” is provided by five applications. Xfwm4 is the Xfce window manager, Xfdesktop provides the menus created when clicking on the root window, and the Xfce panel provides the row of application launchers, menus, and other plugins available at the bottom of the screen. Additionally, Xftaskbar and the Iconbox provide the standard ways to switch between applications. The Window Manager The window manager in Xfce 4 is decended from the very light and simple Oroborus window manager, which, due to it’s small system resources and simple code base, has been the parent and grandparent of several window managers over the years. 4.4 continues the steady, even handed development that Xfwm has seen since the beginning. Most of the changes are in the background, but appreciated nonetheless. Since 4.4 development began we’ve seen some serious testing of various window placement algorithms, especially for very large and very small screens, sophistication of the various methods for preventing focus stealing, and some small usability improvements. In addition, Xfwm has lost the ability to manage desktop wide shortcuts in order to move this feature to a more powerful and generalized shortcut tool. Rumor also has it that Olivier is working on a “power tweak”, a GUI that allows access to various properties of the window manager not normally accessible without config file editing. Xfwm 4.4 should do what a window manager does best – getting out of the users way – while actually becoming more configurable for power users. Xfdesktop Xfdesktop mostly just sits there, waiting for you to need it, and when asked, generates nice pretty menus. It also provides your backdrop, so it doesn’t get bored. Xfdesktop likely will keep being the small helper app on the surface that it is today. However, the core of Xfdesktop is getting some real attention, as code from xfdesktop-ng, the branch of xfdesktop shipped in Xfld is potentially integrated, providing better performance and more robust menu generation. Xfdesktop is already pretty good at guessing when apps have become available, without the application having to do anything DE specific, just provide a standard .desktop file. We all look forward to the quick death of desktop specific menus. The Panel – One Codebase To Rule Them All When Xfce 4.0 came out, the panel immediately got the attention of independent developers. It was just so quick and simple to throw together a new panel applet that a Berlios project grew up to keep them organized. Then people started to complain that they couldn’t add plugins to the taskbar, or run multiple instances of the panel, or put the iconbox in the panel, or . . . And then people started to do blocking IO in plugins, and writing plugins that crashed the panel, and other bad things. Lo, then came the experimental branch of the panel, and all these things are of the past. This new branch provides the potential to run multiple instances of the panel, with different panels for each monitor, and puts most plugins out of process, so they no longer can hang or crash the panel. Panels can be placed freely anywhere on the screen, tethered to the screen edges, fill the screen width or height, or be constrained to fit the plugins it contains. The iconbox and taskbar are currently being subsumed inside this new panel framework, and will become instances of the panel, increasing flexibility, and reducing the effort to maintain the bunch. The Platform Xfce has provided a small platform to developers since the 4.x series began. These libraries provide various utility interfaces, such as functions for interating over window lists, session manager support, and the like. These libraries also provide backported Gtk+ functionality or wrappers around Gtk+ widgets, so that Xfce can build on older systems, while still providing the maximum available functionlity. This is the kind of platform you’d expect a desktop environment to have: mostly small and with functionlity focused at building core desktop components. These libraries have attracted some outside interest, such as for people developing panel plugins and the Terminal and Xfmedia applications. However, Xfce 4.4 is seeing a much bigger effort at providing tools for independent developers, without expanding the Xfce core. Xfce Developer Tools The various M4 macros provide easy detection of pkgconfig based dependencies, adding debug support to an application, setting up i19n support, as well as Xfce specific macros for the panel and settings system. Developers would do well to take a look, and ease their autotools woes. Coolest Name Ever – libexo libexo provides lots of neat features like Firefox style editable toolbars, lightweight session management client support, widgets for icon views and ellipsized text, and more. Ol’ Standbys – MCS, Util, and GUI MCS stands for Multi Channel Settings. MCS expands the Xsettings system (which was very young at the time of MCS’s development) to settings management for Xfce components. While MCS continues to see occasional bug fixes, it is not undergoing feature development at this time, in anticipation of a standard cross desktop setting system to replace it. libxfce4util, like the MCS system and it’s libraries, has seen almost no development since 4.2, other than minor bugfixes. They are simple, stable, and (until a standard emerges to replace MCS) complete. libxfcegui4 is, as the name states, the GUI library for Xfce, and has mostly seen activity in deprecation of those widgets which are no longer needed, as our minimum Gtk required provides them. They should be deprecated for 4.4 and likely out by 4.6. However, libxfcegui4 has seen some expansions of the basic API, filling out some macros and methods for various widgets. This has been done to make it easier on various language bindings. Wait a sec – bindings? Bindings Xfce has always been a C (and a little shell) only place. However, that doesn’t mean we don’t want other languages to play along. Starting with the C++ binding, the Xfce Foundation Classes, Xfce has grown three language bindings. Note that these bindings only exist for writers of software outside of the Xfce “core”. Most notably, no constantly running processes in the core Xfce desktop will depend on them, so the inclusion of the bindings has no impact on Xfce’s memory usage. XFC The Xfce Foundation Classes are the biggest of the three language bindings that are coming for Xfce. XFC has grown from being a C++ binding for Gtk, to binding the Xfce libraries, as well as a binding for libglade, allowing developers to rapidly build applications that integrate with Xfce in C++. XFC is also extremely well documented, and is already being used by various interested developers. Along with Thunar, XFC may be the most exciting aspect of the 4.4 release. PyXfce PyXfce is (you guessed it) a Python binding for the Xfce libraries. Unlike XFC, PyXfce doesn’t wrap the core Gtk functionality, depending on PyGtk for that job. Instead, PyXfce provides access to Xfce widgets and custom functionality from Python applications. Xfce4-Perl Another pretty obviously named binding, Xfce4-Perl works much like PyXfce, allowing Perl programs to use customer Xfce features, while letting Gtk-Perl do the grunt work of providing Gtk bindings. …And All The Rest And of course, just because these changes are taking place doesn’t mean the rest of the desktop is idle. Nosiree.
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Great Work! I’m really looking forward to xfce4.4
Comment by Mark Kowarsky — 3 Sep 2005 @ 05:23:12 UTC
What about a desktop metadata project ?
Comment by Jonas Geiregat — 3 Sep 2005 @ 08:48:55 UTC
Nice summary, really. I’m glad we’ve got someone doing the important (and certainly hard) job of keeping the interested user up to date.
Just one note on InstallIt: It’s not designed to only make Goodies available/manageable. Instead it’s the (generic) approach to a) replace Benny’s graphical installer almost completely and b) make software available via a repository independent of your local package manager.
I guess the goals aren’t yet clear to everyone so I will set up a “Goals” site in our Wiki as soon as possible. Make sure to visit http://installit.xfce.org/trac.cgi/wiki/Goals soon.
Regards,
Jannis
Comment by Jannis — 3 Sep 2005 @ 11:27:38 UTC
Erik, once again you rule, even if a week for you is a variable length time unit ;-)
Comment by Jasper — 3 Sep 2005 @ 12:06:38 UTC
Howcome I always feel left out because things always seem to just work for me?
Is this a thanks or a plea to not break things?
Comment by Carol Spears — 4 Sep 2005 @ 15:50:43 UTC
Wow, this is a very nice update! This tells me Xfce 4.4 is definitely going to be great! Thanks for the list of features and updates, I love it (and Xfce too, of course)!
Comment by Arjan — 5 Sep 2005 @ 10:58:52 UTC
Thank you!!! I LOVE Xfce and I can’t wait to use 4.4!
Comment by Charlie — 5 Sep 2005 @ 14:22:41 UTC
I’m very impressed — as I’ve always been — and am looking forward to firing up portage to integrate the new 4.4 version.
Comment by Benjamin Strozykowski — 5 Sep 2005 @ 14:31:31 UTC
Is there a projected timeline for release? It sounds like 4.4 will have everything I am looking for.
Comment by Michael — 5 Sep 2005 @ 14:34:02 UTC
What about some screenshots with these changes???
Do you have an estimate when Xfce 4.4 will be due?
Comment by Broeisi — 5 Sep 2005 @ 15:21:41 UTC
Will XFFM be dropped in the future in favor of Thunar??
Comment by Broeisi — 5 Sep 2005 @ 15:25:30 UTC
Goodbye KDE! Hello Xfce!
Comment by Christopher Trottier — 5 Sep 2005 @ 16:48:29 UTC
Sounds great, can’t wait to get it into the Ubunut Repos,thank you.
Comment by Ernesto — 5 Sep 2005 @ 17:10:59 UTC
Sadly I have a strong feeling that my favourite desktop has grown to be more and more sluggish over time.
When I first installed Xfce4.0 I was blown away, and the following releases always came with really useful features, which made me stick to xfce happily. However the overall feeling was, the desktop became less responsive and I can’t pinpoint the reason or the instances that suffered from this.
I hope this will get some attention in the future.
Comment by Tom — 5 Sep 2005 @ 17:18:28 UTC
Screenshots would be _very_ nice… :)
Comment by kajaman — 5 Sep 2005 @ 18:16:42 UTC
Very cool. I am a very satisfied user of Xfce and cant wait for the next update.
Comment by Ed — 5 Sep 2005 @ 19:02:00 UTC
What about some screenshot of Xfce4.4???
And will Thunar be replacing Xffm in the near future??
Comment by broeisi — 5 Sep 2005 @ 19:08:19 UTC
Sounds very interesting. I’m looking forward for release…
Comment by Marian — 5 Sep 2005 @ 20:27:51 UTC
Does it ever stop just getting better and better? I’ve watched the XFce project growing for years, and the past three have been, well, just doggone amazing. I’ve seen more innovation and creativity in this project than in all of the others. KDE and Gnome – watch out.
Comment by YankDownUnder — 5 Sep 2005 @ 21:51:11 UTC
I only just discovered the joy of Xfce 4 and already I find out there’s going to be more. It’s become my favorite desktop over the last 2 months (with Slackware GNU/Linux right now) and I’m really looking forward to the new additions. Many thanks for what you’ve done here. Keep up the awesome work!
Comment by Sean Jodrey — 5 Sep 2005 @ 22:01:36 UTC
Very interesting entry, and nicely written. Thank you
Comment by Nikos Kouremenos — 5 Sep 2005 @ 22:39:20 UTC
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Sounds really good, goodluck with the release!
Comment by robust — 5 Sep 2005 @ 23:19:30 UTC
I tryed Xfce 4.2, compiled it on a Slackware based distribuition, and I was amazed with what I saw. At the first, it looked like yet another lightweight WM, like all *BOXes and other WM’s tryed to do. But this one is different, it is light but still sofisticated. XFFM is amazing, and I tested the WM in day-to-day activities, and it really worked out. I am really ancious for 4.4.
Comment by Felipe Rafailov — 5 Sep 2005 @ 23:32:43 UTC
Looking very good! Thanks for the great detailed info and looking forward to 4.4 very much
Comment by Scronkey — 6 Sep 2005 @ 00:40:18 UTC
Amazing! hopefully it will come out very soon!
Comment by LittleBoy — 6 Sep 2005 @ 07:54:33 UTC
Just wanted you to be convinced that at least 3 people read it.
Thanks for Xfce – couldn’t work without it.
Comment by Robert — 6 Sep 2005 @ 11:18:04 UTC
i read it :) it seems i will try xfce again :) i’m curious about the new thunar..
Comment by eldzi — 6 Sep 2005 @ 14:57:50 UTC
Hello again -
I’ve been using XFCE since the 3.8 days. Still love it.
All the 4.x series have been really pretty – BUT no sound event support.
Won’t someone PLEASE bring back XFsound? pretty please? I’ve been writing bash scripts to launch my main apps with sound, and while it’s a workable solution, it’s not integrated, and I’m tired of having to write a new script every time I want a sound-launched app to be added to my desktop.
Thanks in advance for XFsound4.4…
Comment by PastorEd — 6 Sep 2005 @ 15:36:28 UTC
Can we have functionality to specify the plugin location path i.e. if I install then into a local folder to somehow allow the panel to recognise them.
Comment by Wonker — 6 Sep 2005 @ 16:39:14 UTC
What about minimal system requirements? I’ve been looking at
‘lighter’ replaments for Gnome for older Pentium-class machines
but have heard that Xfce4 has become more bloated. What would
I need as processor MHz and memory to expect decent performance?
Comment by Matty — 6 Sep 2005 @ 17:02:34 UTC
If more than three people write comments, then I believe that more than three read the news.
I have used xfce off and on for a few years. I’m getting so tired of Fedora’s desktop and
what seems like 1/2 hour to load on my relatively new laptop, that I’m about to go to xfce again.
Good work. It is nice to see that someone provides good functionality without hogging the
CPU.
Comment by Bob — 6 Sep 2005 @ 18:12:51 UTC
WOW!
I am all excited :D
Comment by Yoan — 6 Sep 2005 @ 20:14:59 UTC
Can’t wait to install the update. I hate KDE/GNOME since they are too slow and bloated for my taste. Is there a release echedule for 4.4?
Thanks for the great work!
Comment by bobby — 6 Sep 2005 @ 22:05:24 UTC
Which GTK+ Version will be the base for xfce4.4? Will it again be 2.4 oder 2.6 or perhaps even 2.8?
Comment by pizza_pete — 7 Sep 2005 @ 16:13:13 UTC
Great, but will XFCE still be small, fast, lightweight, and simple? :)
Comment by Greg Bell — 8 Sep 2005 @ 02:32:13 UTC
I’ve been using XFCE for almost a year now and I love it (I used to use KDE, but it’s soooooo bloated. I never liked Gnome, or more specifically it’s interface) I love XFCE and almost everything about it, particularly the random desktop backgroud image upon boot and the speed and simplicty of it. It’s so sleek and clean, no desktop icons (I hate those), everything is in neat panels and menus that autohide (on my system anyhow). My only complaint is I HATE xffm. It may have cool features but the interface is horrible. No problem, tho as I use the rox-filer. The rox-filer is so fast and ridiculously simple to use! It’s wonderful and would seem a natural fit for XFCE. If xffm becomes more like rox-filer in 4.4 maybe I’ll try it out for a bit, otherwise it’s back to rox-filer :P. Anyways thanks for an awesome desktop manager and keep up the good work. BTW I run Gentoo Linux x86_64 kernel 2.6.13-rc3-mm1 with reiser4.
Comment by Sebastian Mikulec — 8 Sep 2005 @ 07:53:51 UTC
rox is better anyway… =D
Comment by moo — 8 Sep 2005 @ 16:20:04 UTC
Hi Guys,
Since I already thanked the Zenwalk team for their efforts, it
seems only fair that I do the same here.
Although I am pretty much a linux n00b I’ve installed a fair number
of distro’s over the last few years but was never overly impressed
by either Gnome or KDE (or even some of the smaller ones).
I found Xfce very easy to work with from the start and from what I’ve
read about the update I will enjoy using it even more once I upgrade to 4.4.
Once again, thank you and keep up the good work!
Regards,
Bollix.
Comment by Bollix — 9 Sep 2005 @ 10:56:17 UTC
iCalendar support in your Orage widge sounds like a great feature. Looking forward to trying out the next release!
Comment by Scott Fitchet — 12 Sep 2005 @ 19:46:28 UTC
Sounds great, can’t wait to see it all work.
the third reader ;)
Comment by Udo — 13 Sep 2005 @ 12:40:53 UTC
XFCE is really good. Come on~~
Comment by Ang — 19 Sep 2005 @ 06:52:16 UTC
Xfce is and has been a wonderfully fast, sleek, smooth working set of programs. Alas, this may become a thing of the past since the coding requirements are erroding to allow mixtures of slower high level languages to join in the fun. Moving away from all C coding is a mistake. Fast Xfce –> Snail cluster bloatware. Oh well, it was great while it lasted…
Comment by Mr. Ding Bat — 21 Sep 2005 @ 04:00:17 UTC
I can’t wait for xfce 4.4. But what about panel themeing
eg: colors, fake transparency
Comment by Stephan — 21 Sep 2005 @ 23:32:26 UTC
With every day I use xfce I’m getting more satisfied with it. Your way of developing, not bloating it with useless stuffs, is what is all important. If you keep it that way, you’ll keep me either :-)
Many thanks for you all for the great job!
Comment by tinca — 11 Oct 2005 @ 06:53:23 UTC
Looking forward to 4.4 !
Well, i guess a little bit more than 3 persons read this ;) ?
Comment by blade_x2 — 12 Oct 2005 @ 14:02:52 UTC
woohoo! go xfce team you ROCK!!!111!
Comment by marco — 14 Oct 2005 @ 08:37:01 UTC
Today, I installed xfce running apt-get install xfce, to realize a minute later that it’s v.2 or v.3. Then, I installed Xfce4, to my surprise it looked different, GOOD different!!! I came to work and looked it up to see what is going on. I found out that I was running Ubuntu build of Xfce4 (XFLD integrated). If you are telling me that the 4.4 is going to offer even more features and plug-ins, I’m sold! Can’t wait. Cheers.
Comment by Sani — 2 Nov 2005 @ 15:52:38 UTC
First xffm, now thunar which looks similar. Why not just integrate ROX, which is fast, stable and everyone loves?
Comment by Phillip — 13 Dec 2005 @ 22:05:20 UTC
Just wanna say I looove XFCE :D. Checked out the XFCE 4.4 SVN and Thunar looks great :). Goodbye terminal… (never been an XFFM fan…).
I can’t wait for the 4.4 on Zenwalk :P.
Mad props to the devs ;-).
Comment by Borromini — 8 Jan 2006 @ 07:46:00 UTC
Thanks for XFCE! It’s just great :D!
Comment by Chris — 14 Feb 2006 @ 21:30:18 UTC
I too would like to have xfsound. I don’t usually like to have sounds except for email notification, but there are days of whimsy when it’s nice to have little chirps and subtle beeps and musical interludes to accompany various actions and errors.
I hope xfsound or some other mechanism to provide sound for events in xfce, will become a reality in a future release.
P. S. I have used IceWM almost exclusively for over three years; experiments with other WM’s and/or environments usually send me scurrying back to IceWM. Xfce is the only serious competitor I’ve tried out of probably a dozen, including all the “big” names. In fact, I am currently preferring xfce because it looks so much better, and seems to be every bit as fast as IceWM or blackbox (for one other example). I had trouble setting up xfce properly with the Autostart file, and that file gets mysteriously altered now and then, but generally xfce is very well behaved and it has not crashed yet (IceWM crashed maybe two times in three years of use, not bad).
I’m using xfce v. 4.2.1, on Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog; I was unable to get a later version to install.
Comment by Jon — 18 May 2006 @ 02:55:26 UTC
I’m currently using version Xfce 4.3.90.2 on Zenwalk (slackware based lightweight distro). I’m really amazed! The look and feel makes it more pleasant to work with and Thunar is great :) Thank you all.
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Comment by 虚拟主机 — 20 Jun 2006 @ 03:38:00 UTC
Hello. I am a long time kde fan, so don’t take this lightly.
XFCE is the only lightweight desktop that can brag comperability to gnome and kde, and in my oppinion is infact just as good if not better than gnome already. Hats off to the xfce team.
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Just wanna say I looove XFCE :D. Checked out the XFCE 4.4 SVN and Thunar looks great :). Goodbye terminal… (never been an XFFM fan…).
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